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 Post subject: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /02:43 

..is still raging on. Iam not speaking of this forum in particular but all over the internet.
Man i could tell you guys about some threads in a few Ps3 and Xbox Fanforums...
It has never been this bad before. And all because of one multiplatform title that is being awaited to show everybody in the whole wide world how much potential the PS3/XBOX360/PC really has. Every statement from Crytek in the past is put on a golden libra. Things like: "Crysis 1 is technically [still] not possible on consoles.
and : We get slightly more performance out of the Ps3. Or the Pc Version will look the best. But things like : We try to deliver the best performance for every platform.. is overhead by a raging crowd of flamers, begging for an answer to who is the best.
In some way i think Crytek awaited this kind of flamewar for Crysis 2 among the platform-fan-crowd. Its really good advertisment for a game that hasnt gone gold yet.
But rational people could have a clue what Crytek is cooking with Crysis 2.
I dont think it will unite the different gamers but split them further apart.
Crysis 1 by its time was like an insult to the console community... a pc only game with grfx from outer space. Almost exactly coming out one year after the Ps3 hit the market and being promoted as the non plus ultra. Many keen consoleros started to nip pick Crysis for its rather weak story and gameplay but most of them havent even played this ( in fact) really outstanding Ego Shooter. And even yet 3 years later, there is no game on any platform that could hold up to Crysis. ( Only Warhead and maybe with a bit of distance Far Cry 2).At first some magz rumored about Crysis 1 on consoles..but Mr Yerlis dementi must have been like a slap in the face..not possible on consoles? But we have the cell etc. how could this be possible? In fact even nowadays Pcs can hardly max out Crysis ... it was way ahead of its time.
Only to be truly maxed out be the high end hardware of tommorow.
For Pc gamers this isnt an unknown scenario.. taklin about Morrowind or Oblivion.

But enough of this...
So what do you guys think?
Is this console vs. console. vs Pc scenario a calculated marketing boost or just a unwanted side effect?
Will console and Pc gamers accept the differences between the versions without causing further flame wars?
Will consoleros and Pc,lers finally live in peace ? ;-)


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /03:05 

bigboulder wrote:
So what do you guys think?
Is this console vs. console. vs Pc scenario a calculated marketing boost or just a unwanted side effect?
Will console and Pc gamers accept the differences between the versions without causing further flame wars?
Will consoleros and Pc,lers finally live in peace ? ;-)


In my opinion they expected it but they didn't want to boost their marketing by it rather than simply satisfy a wider audience.
For your second and third question I say No Chance In Hell but I don't wanna start a flame war myself so I'm not gonna get into details!
Other than that you just said almost everything one could mention. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /03:08 

Oh i found something interesting for the console vs console topic:

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Gamasutra:What would you cite as the major performance differences between PS3 and 360? I’ve heard a lot of opinions.

Cevat Yerli: I mean essentially the game we run is about the same. Probably one’s stronger on the GPU side, one’s stronger on the CPU side, so depending on what you’re doing where, the PS3 does perform here sometimes better, the 360 performs other things better, but overall by the time the game ships it’ll be absolutely the same.
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So if any console gamer was hoping for the ps3 version to look "way " better than the xbox version. This is bad news. But only if you wanted C2 on Ps3 to beat the xbox ;-)

the full interview is on:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2388 ... romise.php

Its rather old but some topics there lead to general info. So its no so outdated i think.


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /04:02 

Cevat Yerli recently did an interview on the PC, i think it quite concise on the reality of platform hardware and the the way Crytek views the PC port. "PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks,"

"I generally think it's still developers' mentality [to blame]. A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game."

Nothing new there for anyone not living under a rock though, at least crytek isn't worried about trying to butter up PC gamers anymore and just acknowledge they get the short end of the stick when it comes to Crysis2 :)

Article link:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... ?id=277729


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /04:55 

For a platform war, the first side to rise was Ms. Xbox 360's. Now the PC and Ps3 users are feeling some isolation.
They promised, the Pc users a greater experience for Crysis 2? What happened?

As stated above:
"Nothing new there for anyone not living under a rock though, at least crytek isn't worried about trying to butter up PC gamers anymore and just acknowledge they get the short end of the stick when it comes to Crysis2 "

Now that leaves some nerve wrecking concern.


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /10:05 

I think the console-war marketing is unintentional.
You don't bother with things that arn't reliable, and you can't depend on the game selling itself.
I think they're just genuinely just trying to say the game has good graphics, with the side effect of self-marketing.

The whole console-war thing is just people trying to justify their console purchase by convincing themselves they made the superior choice.
The truth is; you pay for your platform of choice (or steal?) based on your preferences and knowledge of the systems.
If you got what you wanted then that should be the end of it - good for you!
But ignorance progresses over common sense in most people.

Although I can understand the PC players being mad because they're no longer getting what they payed for.
But there's not really anything that can be done about it, and getting mad doesn't help.
Unless you're in Fight Club, of course. They say "you don't talk about Fight Club", but I'm not you so it's okay ;)


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /10:11 

I just like how the 'pc gaming isn't as much of a concern' is only said by developers who haven't been paying attention (well, crytek got burnt by negative 'zomg i can't run it maxed' which was already addressed in a post by me on how stupid such whiners are). On the other hand you have developers like DICE who used the statistics from bad company 2 to PROVE that PC gaming has just as many players as the other platforms.

It's only because sales are only measured by retail boxed shifted, and not digital purchases :D PC gaming is bigger than ever! There's more steam users than xbl users for example, and that's only a fraction of the market.


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /01:20 

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There's more steam users than xbl users for example, and that's only a fraction of the market.


That's because you get full access to Steam for free :)


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /02:34 

But you don't need steam to play on the PC, (although strictly true for xbl, you cannot play online without signing up) for all but a few games and there are approximately a minimum of at least 100 million PC gamers worldwide, with a more realistic estimate of closer to 200 million based of hardware sales for gaming usage. It just goes to show that the audience is there, just not necessarily going to eat up the tepid crap released most of the time.

Facts are facts, and the facts are that the PC platform is a juggernaught, but one that is never revealed as such as there is no sugar daddy running the show and focusing the spotlight. Combined with digital distribution it gets a lot harder to get real evidence without actually looking beyond simple news sites like ign.

However, have a look at the actual revenue of companies such as EA, take two, THQ and activision then combine them. With call of duty included, the PC sneaks ahead of every platform by a few dozen million. Without cod, PC generates more revenue yearly than the wii, 360 and ps3 put together.


This is quoted off a guy called mac from another similar thread a few weeks back on another forum, the values can be verified if you google:

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Electronics Arts

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $868
PS3 – $771
Wii – $570
PC – $687

As you can see the PC made even more net revenue then the Wii did. It’s within shooting range of the PS3.

Activision Blizzard

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $857
PS3 – $584
Wii – $584
PC – $1.412

It should be noted that this is the Report of 2009, all other publisher reports are from 2010, the one for activision 2010 isn’t released yet. So it doesn’t include Starcraft 2, but it does include Modern Warfare 2. As you can see WoW is hard at work. The money generated by WoW alone dwarfs any other platform by far.

Also MW2 had a huge impact on the console net revenue, boosting it considerably. For comparisson here are the 2008 numbers that don’t include MW2:

Xbox360 – $362
PS3 – $241
Wii – $407
PC – $1.251

Without a mega release like MW2 the WoW/PC revenue alone surpasses that of ALL consoles combined.

Take Two Interactive

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $171
PS3 – $155
Wii – $5
PC – $10

That’s Red Dead Redemption hard at work, which didn’t get a PC release.
The PC once again generated more net revenue then the Wii did.
Without such a mega seller the platforms are way closer to each other. For comparisson reasons here are the numbers from 2009 where no huge console exclusive title like RDR got released.

Xbox360 – $30
PS3 – $11
Wii – $15
PC – $13

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Something that is definitely interesting is that the PC version of mw2 takes up about 20-25% of the revenue, a far cry from the claimed 5% sales on the PC platform, which just shows how much of the PC is digital distrbituion.


   

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 Post subject: Re: The Crysis 2 platform war...
PostPosted: 11 26, 2010 /03:45 

no offense comfy chair but what that quote basically reads is games similar to, or perhaps even considered 'competitors' to Crysis 2 sell fantasticly well on console, and the games that do the best on PC are ones that are not really available on console (WOW).

There's definitely a big market on the PC, but it's pretty game specific, it used to be a very clear sports/platform games on console, strategy/fps on PC, but with FPS games transitioning to consoles now things have changed some what.

Of course with that said Crytek has a rich history in PC gaming, recognizes the strength of PC gaming, and we have no intention to neglect it in any way with the release of Crysis 2.


   

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